Thought-provoking conversations with remarkable people

Out of the Blue brings together leaders, thinkers and people with something worth saying to explore the ideas, experiences and unexpected moments that shape how we lead, work and live.

The conversations are coming

Big careers rarely follow straight lines.
Neither to the best conversations.

The best conversations have a habit of going somewhere you didn't expect. So we're interested in the moments behind the CV. The decisions, mistakes, assumptions, opportunities and lessons that changed what happened next.

THE DECISION
that changed
everything

THE THING
that went

wrong

THE ASSUMPTION
you had to

abandon

THE OPPORTUNITY
nobody saw

coming

THE LESSON
you wish you’d

learned years earlier

No scripts and no rehearsed answers, just conversations worth having.

Your Hosts

David Craig, co-host of the Out of the Blue podcast

DAVID
CRAIG

Former Refinitiv CEO and author of The Bluebook, David has spent his career leading businesses through ambitious transformation and growth.

He brings a candid, practical perspective on leadership, change and what it really takes to turn big ideas into results.

Tony Craddock, co-host of Out of the Blue and founder of The Payments Association.

TONY
CRADDOCK

Founder of The Payments Association, Tony has
spent decades connecting the people shaping financial services, from fintech founders to banks
and regulators.

Curious, well-connected and never short of a question, he brings a front-row perspective on the ideas and people driving change.

Three ideas to get your started

KEY IDEAS FROM BLUEBOOK

A closer look at some of the core themes from the book and why they matter now.